Re: [-empyre-] Re: some questions about vogs

[Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@uib.no>]

At 19:35 -0300 20/6/02, Nemo Nox wrote:
> There is a big (and in this case very significative)
> difference between edits and links. Edits are always
> internal. They take you somewhere else inside the movie
> (which means the author retains control of the whole).
> But links may take you somewhere else outside the site
> (which means the author loses control of the whole).
> To make edits and links relate more closely you would
> need edits that can take you to a different movie. I
> guess that would be very interesting. :-)

exactly :) and it's a wonderful question.

except in a vog edits are not always internal (you could just see 
that 'except' happening, couldn't you?). and there is no reason the 
author retains control of the whole (and you've just given me an idea 
to not do that).

again, i've no idea how much everyone knows about quicktime, but let 
me describe 1 or 2 things that quicktime does that means this is 
possible.

first of all, as the example i gave a few days might show, content 
can be shown in your movie from elsewhere. in my case i have a movie 
that borrows live webcam images from elsewhere. i have no control 
over these images, i just grab the urls for the jpegs and load them 
on demand in my movie. my movie lives on a server in melbourne, the 
images are on a commercial server in norway, and the content appears 
where ever the client happens to be.

now this is me showing othres content in my movie. so it's not quite 
what nemo describes. but keep in mind this other content that appears 
in my movie could be:
audio from anywhere
another quicktime movie from anywhere
a live or on demand (rtsp) quicktime stream from anywhere

and also keep in mind that my example is more a little graphic 
sketch, but rather than a still iamge that you mouse around it could 
also be video with these other videos embedded in it. other videos 
that live somewhere else on the planet and which i have no control 
over. just like linking to a web page.

but they still show in my movie, so i guess it's more like frames in 
html embedding external pages. (though much more interesting)

in a much simpler manner, i am currently writing vogs where the 
'edit' decisions still happen in my movie but they are made by 
someone else. in other words i might have 6 minutes of movie, but 
depedning on what the user does they might only see 3 minutes, in a 
different order/sequence than another user. once a movie starts doing 
that, what is an edit? and what is it's role? it certainly isn't to 
generate continuity and fixed sequence in a fixed temporal duration 
(hard copy cinema).

i'll return to the problem of external links in another post.

cheers and thanks for a great question/problem
adrian miles
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